Discipline, Doctrine or Dogma? the Roman-Anglican CATHOLIC Dialogue
Discipline, Doctrine & Dogma
I once strongly considered converting from Roman to Anglican Catholic, likely agonizing as much as Newman, who converted in the opposite direction. How many times have progressive Roman Catholics been sarcastically urged to go ahead and convert by various fundamentalistic traditionalists since our beliefs were "not in keeping with the faith?"
After all, while there has never been an infallible papal pronouncement to which I could not give my wholehearted assent, I otherwise do adamantly disagree with many hierarchical positions such as regarding a married priesthood, women priests, obligatory confession, eucharistic sharing, divorce and remarriage, artificial contraception, various so-called grave & intrinsic moral disorders of human sexuality or any indubitable and a priori definitions employed vis a vis human personhood and theological anthropology.
At times, I truly have wondered if I belonged to Rome or Canterbury, and I suspect many of you have, too, and, perhaps, still do? My short answer is: You're already home; take a look around ...
In other words, for example, take a look, below, at some excerpts from the September 2007 report of the International Anglican - Roman Catholic Commission for Unity and Mission: Growing Together in Unity and Mission: Building on 40 years of Anglican - Roman Catholic Dialogue.
Does anyone see any differences in essential dogma? Are some of you not rather surprised at the extent of agreement, especially given the nature of same?
Are our differences not rather located in such accidentals as matters of church discipline or in such moral teachings where Catholics can exercise legitimate choices in their moral decision-making? (To be sure, there
has been a creeping infallibility in such differences but there have never been infallible pronouncements regarding same.)
"As we shall see, reputable theologians defend positions on moral issues contrary to the official teaching of the Roman magisterium. If Catholics have the right to follow such options, they must have the right to know that the options exist. It is wrong to attempt to conceal such knowledge from Catholics. It is wrong to present the official teachings, in Rahner's words, as though there were no doubt whatever about their definitive correctness
and as though further discussion about the matter by Catholic theologians would be inappropriate....To deprive Catholics of the knowledge of legitimate choices in their moral decision-making, to insist that moral issues are closed when actually they are still open, is itself immoral." See: “Probabilism: The Right to Know of Moral Options”, which is the third chapter of __Why You Can Disagree and Remain a Faithful Catholic__ and available online at
http://www.saintjohnsabbey.org/kaufman/chapter3.html
For those who have neither the time nor inclination for a long post, you can safely consider the above as an executive summary. My conclusion is that we belong neither to Rome nor Canterbury, but to the Perfector and Finisher of our faith. And I'm going to submit to
ever-ongoing finishing by blooming where I was planted among my family, friends and co-religionists, enjoying the very special communion between our Anglican, Roman and Orthodox traditions, the special fellowship of all my Christian sisters and brothers, and the general fellowship of all persons of goodwill.
Respectfully,
JB
I gathered these excerpts together to highlight and summarize the report but recognize these affirmations should not be taken out of context. So, I made this url where the entire document can be accessed: http://tinyurl.com/35p69h
to foster the wide study of these agreed statements.
Below is my heavily redacted summary.
In reflecting on our faith together it is vital that all bishops ensure that the Agreed Statements of ARCIC are widely studied in both Communions.
The constitutive elements of ecclesial communion include: one faith, one baptism, the one Eucharist, acceptance of basic moral values, a ministry of oversight entrusted to the episcopate with collegial and primatial dimensions, and the episcopal ministry of a universal primate as the visible focus of unity.
God desires the visible unity of all Christian people and that such unity is itself part of our witness.
Through this theological dialogue over forty years Anglicans and Roman Catholics have grown closer together and have come to see that what they hold in common is far greater than those things in which they differ.
In liturgical celebrations, we regularly make the same trinitarian profession of faith in the form of the Apostles’ Creed or the Nicene-Constantinopolitan Creed.
In approaching Scripture, the Christian faithful draw upon the rich diversity of methods of reading and interpretation used throughout the Church’s history (e.g. historical-critical, exegetical, typological, spiritual, sociological, canonical). These methods, which all have
value, have been developed in many different contexts of the Church’s life, which need to be recalled and respected.
The Anglican Communion and the Catholic Church recognise the baptism each confers.
Anglicans and Catholics agree that the full participation in the Eucharist, together with Baptism and Confirmation, completes the sacramental process of Christian initiation.
We agree that the Eucharist is the memorial (anamnesis) of the crucified and risen Christ, of the entire work of reconciliation God has accomplished in him.
Anglicans and Catholics believe in the real presence of Christ in the Eucharist.
While Christ is present and active in a variety of ways in the entire eucharistic celebration, so that his presence is not limited to the consecrated elements, the bread and wine are not empty signs: Christ’s body and blood become really present and are really given in these
elements.
We agree that the Eucharist is the “meal of the Kingdom”, in which the Church gives thanks for all the signs of the coming Kingdom.
We agree that those who are ordained have responsibility for the ministry of Word and Sacrament.
Roman Catholics and Anglicans share this agreement concerning the ministry of the whole people of God, the distinctive ministry of the ordained, the threefold ordering of the ministry, its apostolic origins, character and succession, and the ministry of oversight.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics agree that councils can be recognised as authoritative when they express the common faith and mind of the Church, consonant with Scripture and the Apostolic Tradition.
Primacy and collegiality are complementary dimensions of episcope, exercised within the life of the whole Church. (Anglicans recognise the ministry of the Archbishop of Canterbury in precisely this way.)
The Roman Catholic Church teaches that the ministry of the Bishop of Rome as universal primate is in accordance with Christ’s will for the Church and an essential element for maintaining it in unity and truth. Anglicans rejected the jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome as universal primate in the sixteenth century. Today, however, some Anglicans are beginning to see the potential value of a ministry of universal primacy, which would be exercised by the Bishop of Rome, as a sign and focus of unity within a re-united Church.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics both believe in the indefectibility of the Church, that the Holy Spirit leads the Church into all truth.
Both Anglicans and Catholics acknowledge that private confession before a priest is a means of grace and an effective declaration of the forgiveness of Christ in response to repentance.
Throughout its history the Church has sought to be faithful in following Christ’s command to heal, and this has inspired countless acts of ministry in medical and hospital care. Alongside this physical ministry, both traditions have continued to exercise the sacramental ministry of anointing.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics share similar ways of moral reasoning.
Both Communions speak of marriage as a covenant and a vocation to holiness and see it in the order of creation as both sign and reality of God’s faithful love.
All generations of Anglicans and Roman Catholics have called the Virgin Mary ‘blessed’.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics agree that it is impossible to be faithful to Scripture without giving due attention to the person of Mary.
Genuine faith is more than assent: it is expressed in action.
Given our mutual recognition of one another’s baptism, a number of practical initiatives are possible. Local churches may consider developing joint programmes for the formation of families when they present children for baptism, as well as preparing common catechetical resources for use in baptismal and confirmation preparation and in Sunday Schools.
Given the significant extent of our common understanding of the Eucharist, and the central importance of the Eucharist to our faith, we encourage attendance at each other’s Eucharists, respecting the different disciplines of our churches.
We also encourage more frequent joint non-eucharistic worship, including celebrations of faith, pilgrimages, processions of witness (e.g. on Good Friday), and shared public liturgies on significant occasions. We encourage those who pray the daily office to explore how celebrating daily prayer together can reinforce their common mission.
We welcome the growing Anglican custom of including in the prayers of the faithful a prayer for the Pope, and we invite Roman Catholics to pray regularly in public for the Archbishop of Canterbury and the leaders of the Anglican Communion.
We note the close similarities of Anglican and Roman Catholic lectionaries which make it possible to foster joint bible study groups based upon the Sunday lectionary.
There are numerous theological resources that can be shared, including professional staff, libraries, and formation and study programmes for clergy and laity.
Wherever possible, ordained and lay observers can be invited to attend each other’s synodical and collegial gatherings and conferences.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics share a rich heritage regarding the place of religious orders in ecclesial life. There are religious communities in both of our Communions that trace their origins to the same founders (e.g. Benedictines and Franciscans). We encourage the
continuation and strengthening of relations between Anglican and Catholic religious orders, and acknowledge the particular witness of monastic communities with an ecumenical vocation.
There are many areas where pastoral and spiritual care can be shared. We acknowledge the benefit derived from many instances of spiritual direction given and received by Anglicans to Catholics and Catholics to Anglicans.
We recommend joint training where possible for lay ministries (e.g. catechists, lectors, readers, teachers, evangelists). We commend the sharing of the talents and resources of lay ministers, particularly between local Anglican and Roman Catholic parishes. We note the
potential for music ministries to enrich our relations and to strengthen the Church’s outreach to the wider society, especially young people.
We encourage joint participation in evangelism, developing specific strategies to engage with those who have yet to hear and respond to the Gospel.
We invite our churches to consider the development of joint Anglican/Roman Catholic church schools, shared teacher training programmes and contemporary religious education curricula for use in our schools.
END OF EXCERPTS regarding stated agreements
Below are excerpts recognizing DIVERGENCES regarding: 1) papal and teaching authority 2) the recognition and validity of Anglican Orders and ministries 3) ordination of women 4) eucharistic sharing 5) obligatory confession 6) divorce and remarriage 7) the precise moment a human person is formed 8) methods of birth control 9) homosexual activity and 10) human sexuality.
Thanks,
JB
BEGIN EXCERPTS regarding stated disagreements:
While already we can affirm together that universal primacy, as a visible focus of unity, is “a gift to be shared”, able to be “offered and received even before our Churches are in full communion”, nevertheless serious questions remain for Anglicans regarding the nature and
jurisdictional consequences of universal primacy.
There are further divergences in the way in which teaching authority in the life of the Church is exercised and the authentic tradition is discerned.
In his Apostolic Letter on Anglican Orders, Apostolicae Curae (1896), Pope Leo XIII ruled against the validity of Anglican Orders. The question of validity remains a fundamental obstacle to the recognition of Anglican ministries by the Catholic Church. In the light of the
agreements on the Eucharist and ministry set out both in the ARCIC statements and in the official responses of both Communions, there is evidence that we have a common intention in ordination and in the celebration of the Eucharist. This awareness would have to be part of any fresh evaluation of Anglican Orders.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics hold that there is an inextricable link between Eucharist and Ministry. Without recognition and reconciliation of ministries, therefore, it is not possible to realise the full impact of our common understanding of the Eucharist.
The twentieth century saw much discussion across the whole Christian family on the question of the ordination of women. The Roman Catholic Church points to the unbroken tradition of the Church in not ordaining women. Indeed, Pope John Paul II expressed the conviction that “the Church has no authority whatsoever to confer priestly ordination on women”. After careful reflection and debate, a growing number of Anglican Churches have
proceeded to ordain women to the presbyterate and some also to the episcopate.
Churches of the Anglican Communion and the Roman Catholic Church therefore have different disciplines for eucharistic sharing. The Catholic Church does not permit the Catholic faithful to receive the Eucharist from, nor Catholic clergy to concelebrate with, those whose
ministry has not been officially recognised by the Catholic Church. Anglican provinces regularly admit to communion baptised believers who are communicant members from other Christian communities.
Despite our common moral foundations, serious disagreements on specific issues exist, some of which have emerged in the long period of our separation.
Anglicans and Catholics have a different practice in respect of private confession. “The Reformers’ emphasis on the direct access of the sinner to the forgiving and sustaining Word of God led Anglicans to reject the view that private confession before a priest was obligatory, although they continued to maintain that it was a wholesome means of grace, and made provision for it in the Book of Common Prayer for those with an unquiet and sorely troubled conscience.” Anglicans express this discipline in the short formula ‘all may, none must, some should’.
Whilst both Communions recognise that marriage is for life, both have also had to recognise the failure of many marriages in reality. For Roman Catholics, it is not possible however to dissolve the marriage bond once sacramentally constituted because of its indissoluble
character, as it signifies the covenantal relationship of Christ with the Church. On certain grounds, however, the Catholic Church recognises that a true marriage was never contracted and a declaration of nullity may be granted by the proper authorities. Anglicans have been willing to recognise divorce following the breakdown of a marriage, and in recent years, some Anglican Churches have set forth circumstances in which they are prepared to allow
partners from an earlier marriage to enter into another marriage.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics share the same fundamental teaching concerning the mystery of human life and the sanctity of the human person, but they differ in the way in which they develop and apply this fundamental moral teaching. Anglicans have no agreed teaching concerning the precise moment from which the new human life developing in the womb is to be given the full protection due to a human person. Roman Catholic teaching is that the human embryo must be treated as a human person from the moment of conception and rejects all direct abortion.
Anglicans and Roman Catholics agree that there are situations when a couple would be morally justified in avoiding bringing children into being. They are not agreed on the method by which the responsibility of parents is exercised.
Catholic teaching holds that homosexual activity is intrinsically disordered and always objectively wrong. Strong tensions have surfaced within the Anglican Communion because of serious challenges from within some Provinces to the traditional teaching on human
sexuality which was expressed in Resolution 1.10 of the 1998 Lambeth Conference.
In the discussions on human sexuality within the Anglican Communion, and between it and the Catholic Church, stand anthropological and biblical hermeneutical questions which need to be addressed.
END OF EXCERPTS regarding stated disagreements, some of which seem rather incoherent once considering certain of the agreements (for example, not recognizing Anglican Orders and ministries! Gimme a break!!!).
Sociologically, I don't know
Sociologically, I don't know which communion has the better polity. Borrowing from Kierkegaard, Abraham and our Blessed Mother did things at odds with the current culture. Mary, in the Immaculate Conception, was ready to deliver a child without benefit of marriage and Abraham was ready to commit murder. I am much more comfortable with faith driving behavior than with forced, culturally or hierarchically driven behavior leading to faith. We have seen seemingly robust faith fall apart when it was no longer a protest against occupation. Practice was greater when there were sanctions - culturally or religiously (not theologically) for not practicing. Faith without works is dead (James) but works don't lead to faith.
I am troubled that Western Europe does not overly practice its faith. I visit there very often and have to hunt to find a liturgy to attend. On the other hand, I believe that "Christendom" does not ensure faith. In many cases it can be the enemy of faith because it can provide for acceptable behavior with faith. Again, the direction of the implication is faith driving behavior; not behavior driving faith.
From a faith perspective, I subjectively view the Episcopal Church as being more faithfilled than the Southern Hemisphere Anglican primates who, to me, are driving culturally driven answers. We might see the Episcopal Liberals, as "effete snobs" to quote a noted criminal, but I think they are wrestling with faith in a courageous way - that like Abraham and Mary have made others uncomfortable.
What really unites the communions is the staunch belief in the resurrection of Jesus and the life of the world to come. If we believe in the resurrection, are we not forced into the dilemma that confronted Philemon. Onesimus, his slave had become his brother through baptism. By entering into the mystery of the resurrection, Onesimus had changed ontologically. What Philemon had to do, did not flow so much from natural law as it did from the New Law.
So I plead for a unity of faith, driven by the death and resurrection of Jesus and our own entering into that death and resurrection. From that faith can come praxis. When I hear morality preached, outside of whom we have become through the divine intervention of baptism, I feel only cultural cronyism, hypocrisy and sociologically driven rather than conversion driven behavior. I don't want to believe or not believe in abortion, divorce, married priests. My hope is to believe in the resurrection which then drives my decisions on these social matters. It is not that they are not important; it is that they are so important that the only legitimate context in which to discuss them is the death and resurrection of Jesus. I am afraid that they have been dissected from that event and so have become political and social footballs that get in the way of the faith that will drive the proper behavior.
So I agree that there are lots of things that unite the two communions, but the greatest of these is betting one's death and one's life on the resurrection of Jesus.







The document that confirms
The document that confirms the Truth about Human Sexuality is"Theology of the Body", which was inspired by the Holy Spirit through His chosen leader of His church at that period of History,the Holy John Paul ll,defender of Truth.Marriage is a Sacred Covenant and should be respected as such.While it may be true that one of the two may break this Covenant with each other and thus with God,it does not change the Truth about Marriage,that it is a Sacred Covenant.Sexual Love only exists within this Sacred Covenant.Sexual acts outside of this Sacred Covenant are not acts of Love.Love is not possessive nor does it serve to manipulate.This Truth about what it means to Love one another is a fundamental Divine Truth which will never change because Truth can never change.It is what it is.He(Christ)is Divine Truth.This is His Word. We are called to live in this new Covenant that He has made with us by His Life and His Death on the Cross.We are called to live our lives based on those moral values that reflect this Divine Truth,Christ.